If you look up the part on Musician's Friend like John suggested, you can click on the picture for a closer view and see:
There are three mounting posts and the control screw. One or two of the mounting screws are in a curved slot, instead of just a round hole, which allows the whole assembly to move within the shell.
If you could inspect one, you'd see it!
ever see an int. tone control w/throw-off?
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kylebronsdon
Just got the part, and it's pretty poorly made: all the hardware on the outside is plastic, and the screw and collar go in at an angle. Not the prettiest part I've ever seen, but of course the most important thing is functionality -- which I don't have the slightest idea of what the intentions were in designing the thing.
The plate that connects to the shell is a rounded triangle shape, with a screw at each point.
Here's the inside of the collar.
So I'm supposed to scribe partial circular slots into the shell?
The plate that connects to the shell is a rounded triangle shape, with a screw at each point.
Here's the inside of the collar.
So I'm supposed to scribe partial circular slots into the shell?
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kylebronsdon
Ok, it's still a cheesily made part, BUT it does, in fact, WORK!
In theory.
The post that sticks out of the mounting bracket pushes the collar and knob away from the drum when you turn the collar, pulling the arm UP a good quarter inch or so -- just enough (with some tweaking) to get you off the head when the collar is turned the other way, flush with the bracket/post.
Like I said, this is still all in theory. I'm still trying to make it work smoothly. I've twice already reamed out the hole that the knob screw goes into, and the threads keep getting caught on the bottom edge, keeping the screw from retracting when I turn the collar back to the snare-off position.
If anyone still has the slightest interest in this, I'll post a few pics.
In theory.
The post that sticks out of the mounting bracket pushes the collar and knob away from the drum when you turn the collar, pulling the arm UP a good quarter inch or so -- just enough (with some tweaking) to get you off the head when the collar is turned the other way, flush with the bracket/post.
Like I said, this is still all in theory. I'm still trying to make it work smoothly. I've twice already reamed out the hole that the knob screw goes into, and the threads keep getting caught on the bottom edge, keeping the screw from retracting when I turn the collar back to the snare-off position.
If anyone still has the slightest interest in this, I'll post a few pics.
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Bruce (the K)
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kylebronsdon
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Bruce (the K)
Gibraltar Internal Muffler
Hey All,
I just added the Gibraltar Internal Muffler to he Cocktail Drum Shop!
http://www.cocktaildrum.com/shop.html
Look under hardware. Let me know if you want me to put other items in there as well.
Thanks to those of you who have made purchases through our links!
John[/u]
I just added the Gibraltar Internal Muffler to he Cocktail Drum Shop!
http://www.cocktaildrum.com/shop.html
Look under hardware. Let me know if you want me to put other items in there as well.
Thanks to those of you who have made purchases through our links!
John[/u]
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Internal snare throw
"kylebronsdon" mentioned in a previous post about a tama imperialstar muffler that could be used for an internal throw off. It's a very good idea that I think it would work really well.
For those of you who don't know about the tama internal mufflers I'll explain. These are similar to the standard muffler except they have a second adjustment to pull the muffler away from the head quickly to "turn off" the muffle effect as well as the regular tension adjustment.
My first drum set which I still own (and is probably still my favorite) just happens to be a tama imperialstar. I did some experimenting with the snare itself (the snare as well as toms have the internal muffler). I took the batter head off and removed the felt muffler. I replaced the felt with a very short (about 3.5") snare fan. I then put the head back on and played the drum while changing the tension of both snares.
With both snares turned on I was really impressed with the sound I got from the drum. It really increased the snap or crack of the drum with sticks. With brushes the drum really shined. It almost sounded like I had two brushes in each hand. Very full and clean sounding.
I then turned the exterior snares off and used just the internal snare control. The drum didn't play nearly as nice at first. I really had to fine tune to get anything except the backbeat to sound good. Especially with brushes or buzz rolling with sticks. It was really difficult to get the drum to sound at all pleasing. Once I did it was pretty sensitive, I noticed the "zones" guys here have mentioned about playing cocktail drums. You know what I mean, by playing different distances away from the snare fan on the head.
Since I decided to build a cocktail drum I've done alot of experimenting like this. I'm trying to find what I want before I go drilling a shell. Nothing I hate worse than finishing a project and saying "I wish I would have done this instead" If I find anything else interesting I'll post it. That's all for now.
-joe
For those of you who don't know about the tama internal mufflers I'll explain. These are similar to the standard muffler except they have a second adjustment to pull the muffler away from the head quickly to "turn off" the muffle effect as well as the regular tension adjustment.
My first drum set which I still own (and is probably still my favorite) just happens to be a tama imperialstar. I did some experimenting with the snare itself (the snare as well as toms have the internal muffler). I took the batter head off and removed the felt muffler. I replaced the felt with a very short (about 3.5") snare fan. I then put the head back on and played the drum while changing the tension of both snares.
With both snares turned on I was really impressed with the sound I got from the drum. It really increased the snap or crack of the drum with sticks. With brushes the drum really shined. It almost sounded like I had two brushes in each hand. Very full and clean sounding.
I then turned the exterior snares off and used just the internal snare control. The drum didn't play nearly as nice at first. I really had to fine tune to get anything except the backbeat to sound good. Especially with brushes or buzz rolling with sticks. It was really difficult to get the drum to sound at all pleasing. Once I did it was pretty sensitive, I noticed the "zones" guys here have mentioned about playing cocktail drums. You know what I mean, by playing different distances away from the snare fan on the head.
Since I decided to build a cocktail drum I've done alot of experimenting like this. I'm trying to find what I want before I go drilling a shell. Nothing I hate worse than finishing a project and saying "I wish I would have done this instead" If I find anything else interesting I'll post it. That's all for now.
-joe
TAMA Quick Release Muffler
Hey Joe,
I have a snare with the Tama Quickrelease as well. The Gibraltar is the same exact design although nothing near the same quality. I picked one up just the other day and at some point I'll try it as a snare on a drum.
According to Kyle the GIbraltar works pretty well as a snare release (see above). If we could only get a line on those Tama mufflers....
John
I have a snare with the Tama Quickrelease as well. The Gibraltar is the same exact design although nothing near the same quality. I picked one up just the other day and at some point I'll try it as a snare on a drum.
According to Kyle the GIbraltar works pretty well as a snare release (see above). If we could only get a line on those Tama mufflers....
John